HTC Leo actually HTC Firestone – has capacitive screen after all
We have seen a lot of conflicting rumours about the HTC Leo, and the latest one does little but add fuel to the fire. The ai.rs blog claims to have the full specs of the HTC Leo, and the device is a corker, with a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor, 4.3 inch capacitive screen and a whole 320 megabytes of RAM.
We have also heard independent reports that the device will also feature a compass, making it the device with the specs to beat this year at least.
Quad-band GSM/EDGE connectivity - Dual-band HSDPA connectivity (900/2100 MHz)
- 4.3 inch WVGA (480 x 800) capacitive touch screen display
- Wi-Fi
- GPS, A-GPS
- Accelerometer
- Light & proximity sensors
- 3.5mm headset jack
- 5MP autofocus camera with dual LED flash
- 512MB flash memory, 320MB RAM
- MicroSD card support
- 1230 mAh battery
- 121 x 67 x 11 millimetres
The rumours is that this WM 6.5 smartphone is expected to arrive pretty soon, possibly even in Q3, so we look forward to an even bigger torrent of leaks soon.
Via unwiredview.com
Thanks msav for the tip
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im having a crisis!!!!
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aleis Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 3:49 pm
im here with you dude!!!
we can get through this!!
im sure it will be over (arrive at our respective carriers) soon!
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If the specs are correct, this thing is going to be huge.
But if it really features a flash and a compass, I’ll be the first one in line to buy one.
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By the way: Either the specs are wrong or the Leo is not the phone on the picture.
The screen is only 4.0-4.1″ (if you resize the picture according to the specs) and there’s no flash on the back.
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rad Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Yeah so the specs don’t match the picture, but the pic looks a lot like HTC’s last-gen industrial design (e.g. Touch Diamond) anyway, so could be off.
Also, if the screen is 4.3″, it’d have to have a pretty small bezel. The dimensions suggest it’s noticeably smaller than the Toshiba TG01, which has a 4.1″ screen.
Size comparison:
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/24547-Toshiba-TG01-vs-iPhone-vs-HTC-Leo
Nonetheless, if this device actually has a capacitive screen, Snapdragon, an accelerometer, compass, and 3.5 mm jack, I’m getting one.
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Nice spec.
But personally I would prefer a bit smaller screen and consequently smaller device.
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Yes, I also think that there is something very wrong with the specs. HTC firestone was meant to have a 3.6 inch screen. You just can’t fit in 4.3 inch screen … Otherwise such a phone (even with 3.x inch screen) would be my dream for this year
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i hope it doesnt have a 4.3 inch screen! thats way too big!
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oh wow, does this thing meet the required WinMo7 specs that were leaked?
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rad Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Well, almost– those specs (pasted below) also include 1 GB of flash, with 512 MB of fast flash, whereas this has only 512 MB total.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
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nuke1 Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm
How about:
Peripherals:
Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Are all these in the Leo/Firestone?
thanks in advance.
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rad Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
It has Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR, and the MS BT stack should be supported. Interestingly, for the Touch Pro 2 (and only TP2, not TD2), HTC for some reason switched from its usual combo of Texas Instruments BT chip/MS stack to a Broadcom BT chip with the Widcomm stack, which is much more fully-featured than the MS stack. But I presume it could run the MS stack if needed.
Also interesting is that the CSR BlueCore BT chip recommended by MS (if these specs are real) is the chip Apple uses in the iPhone/3G. I don’t think any mainstream WM phone has used this series (though there was a Mio phone with a BlueCore 4 back in 2007).
These Leo specs should meet the accelerometer requirement too, as it has a 3-axis accelerometer, and the sensor in the Touch Diamond is rated at 100 Hz and 1.22mg resolution, so presumably this would be similar.
That said, it might not actually deliver that kind of performance, as I came across some posts on Android dev forums about the sensor in the G1 (AKM AK8976A – 3-axis accelerometer + digital compass) being very inconsistent, with sampling rates varying from 5-125 Hz and a high degree of error, thus requiring additional processing in apps (Kalman filters, etc.) to clean up the input data.
This is basically an issue only because, just like on the iPhone, people are building all sorts of interesting apps using accelerometers on Android, beyond just screen rotation and shaking, whereas WM devs haven’t dug too deeply into accelerometers yet- presumably due to the lack of a built-in sensor API (which won’t be fixed until WM7).
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rad Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 am
I should clarify the last point– there are many WM apps up on XDA-Devs with accelerometer support (like the ones listed here: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1320), but there are far more on other platforms due to the ease of integrating the functionality into apps (with API support).
nuke1 Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 11:35 pm
On most counts, yes. A link would be helpful though.
If the phone dimensions are smaller than the Toshiba, then and only then will I get this phone. 4.3in otherwise is quite frankly ridiculous. I don’t know what HTC is thinking. My cousin had a Touch HD and he always complained that it was a tad large and consequently bulky in his pocket. I thought the Toshiba TG01 (with a 4.1in screen) would be a nightmare and then HTC comes up with this.
Really, I do hope it is smaller than the Toshiba.
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nuke1 Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 11:42 pm
OK, after having checked like rad did before me (thanks!), the Toshiba and Leo respectively have:
129 x 70 x 9.9 mm – Toshiba TG01
121 x 67 x 11 mm – HTC Leo/Firestone
In other words, the Leo is significantly smaller with a large screen at the expense of having about 2mm thickness.
Sounds perfect!
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It better has 720p video recording capability.
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nuke1 Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 am
Tbh, they’d be shooting themselves in the foot by lacking such an obvious advantage of the Snapdragon processor. This seems like their flagship device, so it only makes sense, considering that 4.3in screen and the ample room around the side of the handset.
This thing is thinner than my Diamond though!
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nuke1 Reply:
July 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oh sorry, for some reason I took your comment to be 720p video decoding ability. Tbh, I would be satisfied with VGA (DVD/640×480) recording @ 30FPS on MP4 format. Like the Nokias on the market. Anything above would be a bonus, like the Sammy Omnia II’s D1 (720×480) resolution recording.
As for 720p video decoding, I’m sure a lot of people would buy this over the Toshiba with this distinct and obvious advantage over the Tosh.
Anyone know if the connection would be ext-USB for the HDTV-out?
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Time for a change!
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What are they thinking(htc)? This thing might as well compete with the Apple tablet
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