Adobe and Microsoft working closely together on bringing Flash 10.1 to WP7
Talk of Flash on Windows Phone 7 was cooled a bit when Steve Ballmer announced the OS, saying it will not ship with the web runtime, but may come in a later version.
Recently Mike Chambers, principal Product Manager for developer relations for the Flash Platform at Adobe, reconfirmed that both Adobe and Microsoft are targeting Flash 10.1 for the browser in Windows Phone 7.
One thing I wanted to clarify as it may have been lost in some of the other news is that Adobe and Microsoft are working together to bring Flash Player 10.1 to Internet Explorer Mobile on Windows Phone 7 Series.
I don’t have an eta or other specifics right now, but it is something that both Adobe and Microsoft are working closely together on.
This is rather good news, and suggests we can hold out for Hulu on our phones some time in the future after all.
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Who even seriously cares?
I wouldn't have bought this argument a few months ago when the iPad was announced, but even in that short amount of time it seems a lot of websites are starting to move from Flash to HTML5. Virgin America recently switched their website, and I've noticed for a long time YouTube as well is now offering an HTML5 opt-in program for 'most' of their videos. Hulu.com too I've heard is going to offer an HTML5 interface soon.
And, what's more, Flash never ran nicely on WM. There's lots of people who call WM unstable and slow and clunky, and I would disagree with all such claims – but those who claim Flash sucks on WM are kind of true. The powerful HD2 has no trouble running standalone Flash or Flashlite apps, but Flash internet implementation doesn't work worth a damn. Skyfire is okay with Flash-based websites, but nearly hopeless with Flash video and audio. Opera is simply useless.
Even on my netbook Flash has started giving me trouble… it's probably because I've recently moved from FF to Chrome browser, but still, I'm really starting to believe many of the purported issues with Flash are true and therefore Flash can't die soon enough.
GP007 Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
At least this way until HTML5 that everyone loves so much takes a solid hold WP7s can play all the flash videos and view the flash sites out there. Flash still holds a large chunk of the market, hate it or love it, and I personally hate it alot as well.
Still, around 75% of videos on the web are in flash, and that's alot! Sure a few sites like youtube are starting to play with HTML5 but until it's used by the majority we'll still need flash support.
Lennard Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
"until HTML5 that everyone loves so much" um…..please say some people or most people….you're making a generalized statement here and in essence is wrong. some, maybe most people could careless how their videos show in their browsers as long as it shows well.
I believe opera and google are actively sabotaging flash to push an incomplete standard…especially google who has a vested interested in the death of flash. if any of them had any meaningful browser marketshare I would try for an anti-competitive inquiry, because what they're doing is just wrong.
GP007 Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
I don't think it matters per se how I stated it. The ones who even know about HTML5 and who keep bringing it up in the flash debate are the people who "love it so much". I'm trying to be pretty specific. Sure the majority of users don't care or don't know. But then again, as I said, they also don't know about HTML5 either.
I think it's pretty much a given that the majority, if not all, webdevs want flash gone and HTML5 support fully.
As far as the HTML5 spec goes, I, though I'm probably the minority, like the stance that the IE team takes when it comes to standards, they've said before that they'd much rather wait for the final spec for something and then add it rather then do a incomplete one or a draft spec that could very well change later on down the line. This though means that IE is behind compared to chrome and opera and FF, so webdevs moan and bitch.
Lennard Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
no one even know how html5 will be handled on mobile browsers, on the desktop yes, but how does the mobile go?
Lennard Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
no one even know how html5 will be handled on mobile browsers, on the desktop yes, but how does the mobile go?
GP007 Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
I don't think it matters per se how I stated it. The ones who even know about HTML5 and who keep bringing it up in the flash debate are the people who "love it so much". I'm trying to be pretty specific. Sure the majority of users don't care or don't know. But then again, as I said, they also don't know about HTML5 either.
I think it's pretty much a given that the majority, if not all, webdevs want flash gone and HTML5 support fully.
As far as the HTML5 spec goes, I, though I'm probably the minority, like the stance that the IE team takes when it comes to standards, they've said before that they'd much rather wait for the final spec for something and then add it rather then do a incomplete one or a draft spec that could very well change later on down the line. This though means that IE is behind compared to chrome and opera and FF, so webdevs moan and bitch.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:36 am
I never said I loved HTML5… I certainly couldn't care less too, if my stuff just worked (which in fact, it usually does with Flash if I'm not on the HD2).
I was just saying, seems like the announcement of the iPad, Flash has come just that much closeer to its deathbed, and not merely because the iPad has no Flash and bound to be a hot-seller. But because, as I said, for better or worse it seems like websites are starting to move away from Flash. As I said Virgin America seems to have dumped Flash to allow iPhone users to use their web services, and YouTube quietly has announced an HTML5 video format which they claim works on most of their videos (though in my experience they either load as Flash or don't load at all).
But yeah, I'm not Flash hater or HTML5 lover. I'm perfectly happy staying with the HD2 with the open WM 'Classic' for the time being meaning I'll have Flash support. I don't really care if it's not the latest, crappy as Flash on WM currently might be. It's good enough to load small Flash elements just so you can view complete sites.
Lennard Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
"until HTML5 that everyone loves so much" um…..please say some people or most people….you're making a generalized statement here and in essence is wrong. some, maybe most people could careless how their videos show in their browsers as long as it shows well.
I believe opera and google are actively sabotaging flash to push an incomplete standard…especially google who has a vested interested in the death of flash. if any of them had any meaningful browser marketshare I would try for an anti-competitive inquiry, because what they're doing is just wrong.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:36 am
I never said I loved HTML5… I certainly couldn't care less too, if my stuff just worked (which in fact, it usually does with Flash if I'm not on the HD2).
I was just saying, seems like the announcement of the iPad, Flash has come just that much closeer to its deathbed, and not merely because the iPad has no Flash and bound to be a hot-seller. But because, as I said, for better or worse it seems like websites are starting to move away from Flash. As I said Virgin America seems to have dumped Flash to allow iPhone users to use their web services, and YouTube quietly has announced an HTML5 video format which they claim works on most of their videos (though in my experience they either load as Flash or don't load at all).
But yeah, I'm not Flash hater or HTML5 lover. I'm perfectly happy staying with the HD2 with the open WM 'Classic' for the time being meaning I'll have Flash support. I don't really care if it's not the latest, crappy as Flash on WM currently might be. It's good enough to load small Flash elements just so you can view complete sites.
Lennard Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
I believe it's your move from FF to Chrome that's causing the flash issue. I've hardly had problems with flash when using IE8, but as soon as I started with Opera 10.50 the issues started. so I went back to IE8.
Opera and Google are big supporters of HTML5, right? go figure why flash doesn't work well in their respective browsers.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Well that was my deduction, as I said before I had no issues with FF and Flash.
But, I can't really be arsed to go back to Firefox on the netbook… Firefox is just too slow on it, with Windows 7 anyway, it was fine with XP. I haven't gone crazy over Chrome like many others but on a limited machine it's a lot better than Firefox, Flash notwithstanding.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Well that was my deduction, as I said before I had no issues with FF and Flash.
But, I can't really be arsed to go back to Firefox on the netbook… Firefox is just too slow on it, with Windows 7 anyway, it was fine with XP. I haven't gone crazy over Chrome like many others but on a limited machine it's a lot better than Firefox, Flash notwithstanding.
chinch Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
HTML5 has nothing to do with flash support.
Said another way WM7 should FULLY support HTML5 AND FLASH10
Full Flash support opens up casual games (free) and other possibilities which HTML5 are not a factor anytime soon.
GP007 Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
That's true, but most people who bring up the flash issue always look at it from the video aspect. Hard to change that.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:41 am
I know what HTML5 is, and I know it's not a video format or even an animation format. I know it's just an evolution of the HTML standards that are currently implemented as an older version.
So yeah, you don't need to school me. I just don't really see much use for Flash on a phone other than loading small elements on websites. It sucks for video, it sucks for Flash-based minigames… sure Adobe could improve on it if they ever made a new version of Flash for WM, but it sucks so bad now for say web video that i doubt they'd easily or at all be able to make it smooth enough for video.
GP007 Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
That's true, but most people who bring up the flash issue always look at it from the video aspect. Hard to change that.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:41 am
I know what HTML5 is, and I know it's not a video format or even an animation format. I know it's just an evolution of the HTML standards that are currently implemented as an older version.
So yeah, you don't need to school me. I just don't really see much use for Flash on a phone other than loading small elements on websites. It sucks for video, it sucks for Flash-based minigames… sure Adobe could improve on it if they ever made a new version of Flash for WM, but it sucks so bad now for say web video that i doubt they'd easily or at all be able to make it smooth enough for video.
simbadogg Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 3:14 am
i haven't posted/read comments on wmpoweruser in a while. but its nice to see you're still posting complete garbage.
http://gizmodo.com/5461711/giz-explains-why-html5...
read this and educate yourself. its going to be YEARS until html5 is a mainstream thing on the internet, used for ALL videos, interactive content, animations and games. you're not going to see this in 2011, or even 2012 when the world ends. live w/ it, flash is here to stay, at least for a while
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:16 am
I AM living with Flash dumbass, that's why I won't be upgrading to this garbage that is WP7. I'll leave that to the idiot Apple type consumers who won't care about Flash missing… don't forget that WP7 was designed for the same crowd who eats up Apple's garbage, not people who would care about a good internet experience.
Apple claims the iPad to be the best intenret experience ever, yet we know due to lack fo Flash and a bunch of other things it's pretty much a really inferior internet experience. Yet, thounsads of people will be lining up in a few weeks to pick up this piece of crap. This is the same crowd who will make WP7 a success with or without Flash.
Thanks for making me reiterate my point due to your sheer stupidity to comprehend simple English. Now, be quiet and go back to whatever hole your crawled out of, cretin. I'm pretty sure this site was better off not having you enlightened comments.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:18 am
P.S. The S2000 sucks, get something with some torque you sissy.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:16 am
I AM living with Flash dumbass, that's why I won't be upgrading to this garbage that is WP7. I'll leave that to the idiot Apple type consumers who won't care about Flash missing… don't forget that WP7 was designed for the same crowd who eats up Apple's garbage, not people who would care about a good internet experience.
Apple claims the iPad to be the best intenret experience ever, yet we know due to lack fo Flash and a bunch of other things it's pretty much a really inferior internet experience. Yet, thounsads of people will be lining up in a few weeks to pick up this piece of crap. This is the same crowd who will make WP7 a success with or without Flash.
Thanks for making me reiterate my point due to your sheer stupidity to comprehend simple English. Now, be quiet and go back to whatever hole your crawled out of, cretin. I'm pretty sure this site was better off not having you enlightened comments.
Jos Dewey Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:18 am
P.S. The S2000 sucks, get something with some torque you sissy.
GP007 Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
At least this way until HTML5 that everyone loves so much takes a solid hold WP7s can play all the flash videos and view the flash sites out there. Flash still holds a large chunk of the market, hate it or love it, and I personally hate it alot as well.
Still, around 75% of videos on the web are in flash, and that's alot! Sure a few sites like youtube are starting to play with HTML5 but until it's used by the majority we'll still need flash support.
Lennard Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
I believe it's your move from FF to Chrome that's causing the flash issue. I've hardly had problems with flash when using IE8, but as soon as I started with Opera 10.50 the issues started. so I went back to IE8.
Opera and Google are big supporters of HTML5, right? go figure why flash doesn't work well in their respective browsers.
chinch Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
HTML5 has nothing to do with flash support.
Said another way WM7 should FULLY support HTML5 AND FLASH10
Full Flash support opens up casual games (free) and other possibilities which HTML5 are not a factor anytime soon.
simbadogg Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 3:14 am
i haven't posted/read comments on wmpoweruser in a while. but its nice to see you're still posting complete garbage.
http://gizmodo.com/5461711/giz-explains-why-html5...
read this and educate yourself. its going to be YEARS until html5 is a mainstream thing on the internet, used for ALL videos, interactive content, animations and games. you're not going to see this in 2011, or even 2012 when the world ends. live w/ it, flash is here to stay, at least for a while
I wouldnt count on netflix or hulu to work even with flash. There is the small issue of 'watching this video on your browser is currently not allowed' messages that appear when you try to.
Lennard Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
um…NetFlix streams with Silverlight not flash……
Rico Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Regarding Hulu, this is true. Hulu could decide at any moment that they don't want mobile browsers at all accessing their site. Unless the browser was able to change it's UA to one of a desktop browser, you'd be out of luck.
Lennard Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
um…NetFlix streams with Silverlight not flash……
Rico Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Regarding Hulu, this is true. Hulu could decide at any moment that they don't want mobile browsers at all accessing their site. Unless the browser was able to change it's UA to one of a desktop browser, you'd be out of luck.
At present, there is big disagreement among Apple (Safari), Google (Chrome) and Mozilla (Firefox) on which video codec to be supported in HTML 5. So it is a messy affair for HTML 5 to handle videos among the above3 browsers. (Browser detecion, then deliver different video that is encoded for that browser. Sounds familiar?) And fom what I understand (I may be wrong on this), there is no DRM provision or content protection for HTML 5 video, so I wouldn't count on site like Hulu to switch to HTML 5 any time soon.
I should pointed out that the video codecs refered to are:H.264 and Ogg Theora.
This is very good news. I knew Microsoft will bring back Flash for windows has it works great using my Windows Mobile 6.5. Seems like we got bunch of Apple idiots here so jealous just because there piece of crap Iphone has not gotten flash for past 3yrs now! LOL… shows you iphone is nothing but a piece of junk phone. It lacks so much features and it a joke how Iphone still has the same ugly candy icons looks and same body design for past 3yrs LOL… I can't wait windows phone 7 comes it going to blow away the junk iphone and look at Windows phone 7 the UI is so more up to date than ugly Icons of junk Iphone. So lets all say BYE BYE BYE lack of feature Junk Iphone has Windows Phone 7 is on top and number 1 again. Bye Bye Junky Iphone…
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Apple will launch next month another piece of junk device called the Ipad LOL what a joke another lack of feature that does not have Flash built in, No Camera, No 3G capable just boring slow wifi connection LOL… and NO usb plugin connectors hahaha again a another of Apple piece of junk developed has what idiots want pay $500 – $900 for this piece of crap Ipad which lacks so many things. Only thing good about it is the Looks yup the Looks is what good about it and nothing else. People if you want a real ebook reader get the HP Slate with built in Windows 7 more reliable and Yes built in Flash, USB plugins, Camera and many more features which junk Ipad does not have. So yes Great news for microsoft will have flash for Windows phone 7 has 90% of web browsers uses flash and works great using on all windows phone so I do think it will work excellent on Windows phone 7.
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Hope I won't anger anyone by saying that people should really cool it with Flash-flares based on FlashLite experience, go see some of the announcement videos that are abound on youtube now, and realize that Flash 10 for mobile is going to (a) support graphics processing and rendering inside the GPU, making flash experience, and video experience ASTONISHINGLY faster and more responsive, and NetBook users may even enjoy HD content at 30-ish frame rates. (b) Flash 10.1 has a ton of mobile-specific features, such as accelerometer support, phone integration support, audio, video, gesture processing and multi-touch… I'd love to hear whiche of the above HTML5 can do? play a video in a non-standardized codec? Play audio in the same? what about microphone? what about live web conferencing ON A MOBILE DEVICE?!
What about Flash Media Server and new back and forward buffer features for live streaming content? what about being able to build same "feel" apps as the iPhone, and being able to target them simultaneously for PCs, Mac desktops, Symbian, Linux, 80%-ish of all new mobile devices, and even new LG and Samsung TVs?! If Apple is not careful, Microsoft and Adobe shaking hands on this (despite Microsoft's competitor product – Silverlight), is a MAJOR blow against iPhone. And MS knows that. They probably wouldn't have supported Adobe with such vigor if Appla came around. They know that this support holds a chance for them to re-take mobile market.
Same as before iPhone everyone thought Blackberry was the only phone everyone's ever gonna have, and all others might as well stop trying. WP7 may just do that to iPhone. We all know where Android is – not much of anywhere. And still Google's one of the first adopters of FP10.1 – they know that it's the only chance anyone has of having their OS valued by end users – let them experience the might and power of all the content that was already built for them for all other platforms. In fact, FP10.1 is the game changer for us, the users. Mobile is now going to become the next "desktop". Give me a mobile with a 5" OLED screen, laser projection or fold-out keyboard, and an laptop-grade Intel i3 or i5 (or i7?) CPU and I might just give up my laptop and desktop both. HTC's already doing VGA out, and some new phone, I just read, has a projector built in. I'm in user heaven (until I need to put the developer hat on).
This reminds me a lot the “Adobe and Apple are working together to bring Flash Player to iPhone statement
Do you really thing it will be done?I don't think so;)!